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- What sites in Nevada were direct hits or at least bomb sites?
- Caesars Legion and another Dialectic, Hegel's Master Slave Dialectic
- Was there any evidence of fighting in space between the US and China before the war?
- Who cares if the Brotherhood is wiped out by House?
- Storywise, is there a reason Strong is allowed in Diamond City?
- Fallout 76: Dates not adding up? Vault 51 talks.
| What sites in Nevada were direct hits or at least bomb sites? Posted: 15 Jan 2020 11:22 AM PST I'm remembering 2 highly irradiated craters with no barrels of radiation meaning they were sites of nukes dropping, Black mountain was hit, and then the other highly irradiated crater is just some random crater south of cottonwood cove (it's in the Mojave, and you can access it before lonesome road), were there any other hit sites? House shot down and disabled most of them but didn't 6 or 10 hit the area surrounding Vegas? [link] [comments] |
| Caesars Legion and another Dialectic, Hegel's Master Slave Dialectic Posted: 15 Jan 2020 09:39 AM PST Let me start by saying this is just some brainstorming and a little bit of applying surface level philosophy to a video game. Since Caesar decides to take his wonky understanding of Hegel and use it to build a slave army, I decided I'd take my wonky understanding and apply it to him. I think it is a way to better understand the Legion and the end point of its lore so far, and the themes of New Vegas, which is in no small part about conflict and struggle. (The dialectical explanation was a request of the lead designer iirc) Part of this is transcribed form a post I wrote elsewhere, but effectively I think there could actually be Hegelian dialectics going on with the Legion, just not the one Caesar is arguing for. I'll be making a brief but, I think, interesting case for what seems to be a serious threat to Caesar's rule and an example of Hegel's master and slave dialectic in action. 1: What is the Master/Slave dialectic? I'll link a video to a YouTube video explaining this, but effectively it goes that the master seeks self actualisation and gratification by enslaving the slave, they have the slaves recognition. The slave exists in fear of death, and so serves the master, and in doing so gratifies the master. However, the masters identity is now tied up in that of the slaves recognition, he must repress the slave and maintain domination over the slave, and he ends up becoming a slave to that dynamic. He needs the slave so he can be the master. But eventually, the slave grows into self actualisation. As the slave labour's and creates more and more for the master, the slave begins to realise that the work reflects them, that they are important and necessary. They confront death daily because, as a slave, they may die and be replaced at any moment, and so they realise that death is the true master that comes for everyone. The slave develops a sense of independent consciousness, of their own self worth. The slave realises that "You may be the Master, but all of this that you own? I built this, not you. There is part of me in this, this reflects me. If I'm gone, all of this is gone." and in doing so, the slave realises that the Master needs him... But he doesn't need the Master anymore. And once that happens, it's only a matter of time before the slaves will rise up. 2: Cool, but how does this relate to New Vegas? Lanius can be convinced, even if Caesar is alive, that the west isn't worth conquering. That its a mad campaign, that the Legion would lose blood fighting over the vast California that would be unstable and rebellious. He even says if you start convincing him with speech and barter that he can see that the west is a trap, that the NCR is caught in it, that the lack of food and water supplies would cause attrition and bleed the Legion. You know all this. There is, however, one line that is very important before he returns east He says Caesar has 'already drawn too much blood away for this... I will not have it be a gravestone for the Legion!' You might not think much of it at first, but he has just defied Caesar and criticised him. The legion is proto fascist and in Umberto Eco's 14 points of Ur Fascism, we can see one of the signs is that to Fascists, Disagreement is treason. Lanius has already crossed a line. He has criticised Caesar. He then leads the men back and says he'll return to the East etc. I think this reveals where Caesar made a fatal mistake; He broke down the legionaries family and tribal bonds, and made them bond with the legion. The legion and their fellow legionaries, their purpose as warriors fighting to secure their empire etc. That's all they have left now. Caesar managed to obliterate their former identities, and in making the legion he gave them a new identity. An identity that they are extremely loyal to and which has been so indoctrinated into them that it is their entire existence. They have dedicated themselves to a 'greater purpose' than the individual, as Caesar wanted. The problem is, Caesar isn't the Legion, he's only the Caesar of the Legion. In a way, he's part of the Legion. He's the master, but his identity and life is tied up in the existence of the Legion and the slave army which composes it, he's become a slave to the Legion in a different way. And the Legionaries would, when it comes down to it, rather see Caesar gone, than see the legion gone. It might be they'd rather replace the Caesar than have Edward Sallow damage the Legion. It'd be very ironic if the same purely utility based thinking that allows Caesar to discard the lives of legionaries out of hand ended up being applied to Caesar by his legionaries, with them discarding a 'broken tool' in favour of a new one. We could argue this is the Master Slave dialectic playing out with the Legion, with Lanius and similar dissenters such as Silas, who believes Caesar is no longer the man he was and that the Legion needs a stronger leader, due to Caesars absence seizures and illness. This brings us back to the master slave dialectic 3: Transposing the dialectic onto the situation Caesar needs the Legion so he can be Caesar, he needs the slaves so he can be the master. He is gratified by power and control, his ambition is the destruction of the NCR so he can rule over an uncontested Empire, that is how he will achieve self actualisation. Without the Slave, he cannot be the Master. He has become reliant on their labor, in this case their strength of arms, and thus is enslaved through their labor. The legion is made by the slaves, the legionaries. They built it through their blood and lives. They created it and without them, there is no legion, and there is no Caesar. The Legion reflects them, it is a part of them and there is a part of them in the Legion. And it seems some of the Legionaries are realising this, they are to a degree achieving self actualisation despite the horrific circumstances they are in. They see the Legion, their new identity that they are extremely loyal to, and are proud of being legionaries and of what they've helped to make. The Legion is built on their backs, and they are fulfilled through it. And the result is that Caesar needs them... But they don't need him anymore. Lanius is willing to defy Caesar for the sake of the Legion. This would almost undoubtedly end badly for one of the two. Along with implication from Silas that high ranking legionaries are beginning to wonder if a new Caesar is needed, whether a Lanius v Caesar showdown ends well for Caesar or not it would seem that Caesar may be dramatically overestimating how loyal his legionaries are to him, and underestimating just how strong loyalty to the Legion itself has grown (Particularly since he implies Lanius doesn't give two fucks about the Legion, but then Lanius is sacrificing to Mars and demonstrates concern for how Denver nearly broke the Legion, and how he can see the West is a trap that could strangle the legion...) Its in part speculation of course, and is a bit of an exercise in amusement, but I think it does actually start to put parts of what happens with the end game into context. Lanius seeming defiance of Caesar always seemed weird but makes sense if he is becoming increasingly attached to the Legion and becoming gratified through it, rather than just through Caesar's approval, as do the motives of characters like Silas whose loyalty to Caesar has faltered [link] [comments] |
| Was there any evidence of fighting in space between the US and China before the war? Posted: 15 Jan 2020 08:56 AM PST With the presence of highly advanced intelligence satellites and orbital bombardment weapons, I have always wondered if China and the US ever actually fought in space. [link] [comments] |
| Who cares if the Brotherhood is wiped out by House? Posted: 15 Jan 2020 07:49 PM PST We've all heard the argument from people who, while playing as the Courier, sided against Mr. House. Most don't mind what happens to the Boomers, Omertas, etc. Yet when it comes to the Mojave Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel, people seem to have a problem preemptively attacking what is effectively a technophile cult armed to the teeth with laser weapons. That's fine. But I'm asking this. Who else in the lore actually gives a damn about what happens to the Brotherhood of Steel? From the NCR to the Legion, to Raiders, to even just a squatter/scavenger trying to carve a living out in the Wasteland. Would anyone raise a stint if Mr. House wiped out the Brotherhood of Steel? Who would complain if it was the NCR or Legion who did the deed? *This applies to the West chapter Brotherhood. East is another case entirely* [link] [comments] |
| Storywise, is there a reason Strong is allowed in Diamond City? Posted: 15 Jan 2020 04:42 AM PST |
| Fallout 76: Dates not adding up? Vault 51 talks. Posted: 15 Jan 2020 06:19 AM PST So I've been reading up a lot on the lore recently and I came across the story of Vault 51, ZAX and Reuben Gill. So according to the Wiki page, Reuben Gill finally escaped ZAX's clutches on 2nd June, 2108, and we know that we left Vault 76 23rd October 2102, six years earlier. Am I being stupid or does this not add up?? Am I to believe that by the time I found him in game, at least six years had passed? Time for him to find a dweller, cross it off his list and then succumb to whatever it was? [link] [comments] |
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