Fallout Lore | How do they dispose of dead bodies in the vaults, and what would happen if someone committed a crime in a vault? |
- How do they dispose of dead bodies in the vaults, and what would happen if someone committed a crime in a vault?
- Is the ghoul whale possible?
- Is there any diffrences between the Applachian Super Mutants and Institute Strain?
- Why do some people treat Vault 13 as some kind of myth?
- The true extent of Legion-controlled territory.
- Why did Arthur Maxson BoS change so much after Fallout 3?
- So much Army presence in the commonwealth.
- Were there Any of Military / army Remnants that are none Enclave?
- Did the U.S have any Other Aircraft?
| Posted: 26 Aug 2020 06:21 AM PDT |
| Posted: 27 Aug 2020 12:14 AM PDT I heard the rumors of the ghoul whale in-game, and I remember that(pre-far harbor) it didn't exist in game at all. Is ghoul wildlife on that scale even possible? How irradiated is the open ocean? And do those dolphin corpses have anything to do with it? [link] [comments] |
| Is there any diffrences between the Applachian Super Mutants and Institute Strain? Posted: 26 Aug 2020 10:12 PM PDT |
| Why do some people treat Vault 13 as some kind of myth? Posted: 26 Aug 2020 01:36 PM PDT I'm honestly baffled by this. I understand folks who don't know Vault 13 location—it's hidden, so yeah. Maybe you don't. But treating it as if it's a fairytale is a bit much. There exists stuff from Vault 13 (vault-suits for one) and it's not really that big of a stretch to believe that y'know, there might be another Vault out there since you already know Vaults are a thing in the Wasteland. The most baffling of all is that it comes from folks within NCR. You have your president looking for that Vault and it's actually relatively close to NCR and Vault 15. Why doubt its existence? [link] [comments] |
| The true extent of Legion-controlled territory. Posted: 26 Aug 2020 03:53 PM PDT The true extent of the Legion's territorial control is actually quite often greatly exaggerated, especially by those within the Legion itself (i.e. how the Cursor Lucullus claims that the Legion controls the entire Four Corners States area). The truth of the matter is that even if one were to be incredibly generous to the Legion, the only accurate measurement of the actual size and scale of the Legion's territories would at most see all of northern Arizona (with the NCR maintaining a significant foothold in Arizona via Bullhead City and all of its surrounding areas) under total Legion control, about 1/5 of New Mexico under definitive Legion control and only piecemeal Legion presences in Utah and Colorado. Let's begin with a basic history lesson. Caesar's Legion was founded by both former Follower of the Apocalypse Edward Sallow (or Caesar, as he's now known) and all-around bad-ass New Canaanite translator/missionary Joshua Graham in 2247 within the Grand Canyon. Beginning with the taking of command over the former Blackfoot tribe, Sallow and Graham would go on to conquer the 7 other tribes that the Blackfoots were at war with at the time. 1 tribe (the Ridgers tribe) would be completely exterminated without mercy. The remaining 6 tribes (including the Kaibabs tribe and the Fredonians tribe) would surrender to Sallow and Graham, becoming assimilated into the Blackfoots' ranks, accordingly. With all of the tribes of the Grand Canyon having been successfully conquered, Sallow and Graham would go on to formally establish what is now known as Caesar's Legion. Sallow would crown himself Caesar whereas Graham would become the Legion's very first Legatus; the infamous Malpais Legate. From there, the Legion would embark upon a 30-year campaign of territorial expansion and tribal conquest up until 2277. The year in which the fateful First Battle of Hoover Dam would take place. By the time that the Legion made their first (and ultimately failed) attempt to challenge the NCR for control over Hoover Dam, Caesar's armies had conquered 68 tribes (though only 66 were known to have been assimilated) and most of northern Arizona had been under Legion control. Several plots of territory, Independent Towns and tribes (most notably the Hidebarks tribe, the tribe of the future Legate Lanius) in the northern areas of the state would remain free from the Legion's grasp, much as they do today. The Legion at around this time would also begin its attempts at expansion into Utah (Graham was courting the Dead Horses tribe and other tribes at the time) and New Mexico (Caesar himself had personally led an invasion into the state). Upon discovering Hoover Dam and the NCR presence there, Caesar (who became obsessed with it almost immediately, according to Ulysses) ordered the Malpais Legate to lead the full might of his 66 assimilated tribes to that great Old World wall, drive out the NCR forces stationed there and conquer Hoover Dam in preparation for an even larger invasion of the broader Mojave Wasteland. Unfortunately for Caesar, however, the First Battle of Hoover Dam would not only be a horrible disaster, rather than the epic triumph that he had been expecting, but would also be the single absolute worst catastrophe in his Legion's entire history. Thanks to the sheer cunning of Chief Hanlon, the incredible bravery of the NCR Troopers defending Hoover Dam, the unrivaled marksmanship of the NCR Rangers and the First Reconnaissance Battalion and the Brahmin-stubborn defensive tactics of General Oliver, the Legion would not only be horrendously routed, but would damn near be completely wiped out. They were spared total annihilation only by the Divide Incident, a fateful event that cut off the Republic's supply lines and prevented them from finishing the job. His armies decimated beyond all measure and reduced to a mere pitiful handful of scraggly herds, Caesar would go on to execute the Malpais Legate as punishment for his crushing defeat. To show that failure at even the highest levels of authority would not go unpunished. In need of a new Legatus to command his Legion and new tribes to replenish his Legion's crippled strength, Caesar took advantage of the NCR's seeming refusal to finish him off by continuing his campaigns of Eastward expansion. The Legion would go on to complete its conquest of northern Arizona, with its most prominent act during this particular time period being the conquest of the Hidebarks tribe. As one of the last bastions of resistance against Legion rule left in northern Arizona, the Hidebarks fought doggedly to avoid becoming yet another victim of the Legion's tribal onslaught. One Hidebark warrior in particular proved to be especially deadly for the Legion. This lone warrior would be infamous for not only single-handedly ambushing and slaughtering entire Legion patrols, but for also single-handedly preventing the defeat of the Hidebarks for months. Alas, the Legion would eventually track down and corner the Hidebarks, effectively ending their campaign of resistance. Upon the Hidebarks' chieftain choosing to surrender to Caesar so as to prevent his tribe's extermination, the very lone warrior that had butchered countless Legionaries went mad with rage, killing the chieftain and several other of his fellow tribesmen until he was finally subdued. Awaking to find none other than Caesar himself before him at his bedside, he listened as the very man that he once despised as his enemy offered to make him his new Legatus, his very own right hand of doom, and even provide him with specially forged mask in exchange for lifelong loyalty and servitude to his new master. The warrior would accept Caesar's generous offer, donning his new mask, accepting his new status as Legatus of the Legion and bearing a new name, bestowed upon him by none other than Caesar himself: Legate Lanius. With its new Legatus at the helm, the Legion would continue its acquisition of new lands, tribes and tribute unabated. Expanding further into New Mexico, invading Colorado (more on that later) and continuing where the former Malpais Legate left off in Utah (the already largely abortive Legion attempt to expand into Utah under Graham never really took off and was put on hold due to the First Battle of Hoover Dam; it all but collapsed immediately afterwards), the Legion would go on to conquer 19 additional tribes in Caesar's name. 14 of which were assimilated into the Legion's ranks (the rest were exterminated). With his Legion's strength restored and a new Legatus to command it, Caesar finally decided that the time had come to return to Hoover Dam and prepare for his final showdown with NCR. The fate of not only Hoover Dam, but the whole of the Mojave Wasteland, on the line. By 2281 (the year in which the events of F:NV take place), Caesar and his Legion have done just that. Now that the history lesson is over, let's examine the most important details. It took the Legion 30 YEARS, all but 4 years of its ENTIRE EXISTENCE, just to conquer MOST, not all, of a MERE FRACTION of Arizona. And while the Legion had begun expanding into New Mexico and attempted to begin expansion into Utah prior to the First Battle of Hoover Dam, they STILL weren't able to get much farther than that. If the Legion took that long just to establish that degree of control over northern Arizona, what should make anybody think that they could've conquered the entire Four Corners States area by the time of the events of F:NV? Especially given that the Legion was damn near completely eradicated by the NCR with their crushing victory at Hoover Dam in 2277. Caesar was having to work with the shattered remnants of his tattered army in the remaining 4 years preceding the events of F:NV and only managed to add a paltry 14 tribes to his forces within that timeframe. It just doesn't make any sense for the Legion to have acquired so much territory with such limited forces and time. Something else that puzzles me is why hasn't the Legion made any attempts at conquering Bullhead City? After all, if the Legion is supposed to be in total control over all of Arizona (it isn't), shouldn't that be a walk in the park for them? Bullhead City is on the Eastern side of the Colorado River (meaning that the Legion could in theory easily cut it off from Republic reinforcements and supplies) and is effectively isolated in what's supposed to be completely hostile territory. The Legion eradicated the NCR outpost at Ft. Aradesh (now Ft. Abandon) in Utah, took out the NCR military camp at Willow Beach in Arizona and neutralized Republic outposts at Nelson and Camp Searchlight in the Mojave Wasteland. Why wouldn't they also eliminate the NCR presence at Bullhead City, as well? It's a low-hanging fruit that could theoretically be taken by the Legion without any serious trouble. So why haven't they? There's only 2 reasonable explanations: either the Legion doesn't know it exists (which is incredibly ridiculous even if the Legion is just contained to northern Arizona) or the Legion's actual extent of control over Arizona is also greatly exaggerated. Meaning that the Legion CAN'T strike Bullhead City due to lack of available manpower and the fact that Bullhead City is simply beyond their reach. Of course, there's more to the story. In case anybody else still isn't convinced, I'll now go into specific details regarding Legion expansion into Utah, Colorado and New Mexico. Beginning with Utah. Dialogue with Jed Masterson of the Happy Trails Caravan Company and the events of the Honest Hearts DLC confirm that Utah is completely infested and overrun with savagely feral Raiders (i.e. the 80s), brutally degenerate tribes (i.e. the White Legs) and ruthlessly vicious warlords (i.e. Salt-Upon-Wounds) that have effectively turned just about the whole damn state into Hell-on-Earth. Meaning that either Caesar can't run his empire worth a shit (which we all know isn't true), or the actual extent of Legion control over Utah is greatly exaggerated. And given that the Honest Hearts DLC gives us an up-close-and-personal look into the actual conditions in Utah, I believe that I'm safe in saying that this evidence is solid. There's also this to consider. Zion National Park, Dead Point State Park, the Grand Staircase, the Great Basin and the Colorado Plateau regions of Utah (all of which are on Utah's border with Arizona, I might add) are all confirmed to be completely out of the Legion's grasp (thanks almost entirely to Joshua Graham). If the Legion doesn't even control these areas, how exactly could they have any meaningful presence in Utah? It really just makes little to no sense. Now we do know for a fact that the Legion does have some kind of presence in Utah, though. Vulpes Inculta's tribe lived in Utah prior to its conquest, Dead Sea claims to have been taken from the Great Salt Lake by the Legion as an infant and dialogue with both Vulpes Inculta and Gabban confirms that Legate Lanius is concluding a campaign somewhere in Utah during the first half of F:NV. Still, at the end of the day, the evidence strongly stipulates that the Legion's actual presence in Utah is virtually non-existent. Now for Colorado. While it's not known exactly when the Legion invaded Colorado, we do know that it couldn't have been invaded prior to the First Battle of Hoover Dam (considering that Legate Lanius, the one who led the invasion, wasn't in the Legion, then) and that this invasion coincided with Legion campaigns in New Mexico, as well. With only less than 4 years as a timeframe and with troops and resources being in limited supply (thanks in no small part to the First Battle of Hoover Dam and other Legion campaigns elsewhere), Legate Lanius would've been hard-pressed to actually secure any meaningful amounts of captured territory in Colorado. That alone makes it rather far-fetched to believe that Legion control over Colorado isn't any different from the non-existent degree of its control over Utah. Nonetheless, I'll continue. When Legate Lanius led his forces into Colorado, all he found was a barren, lifeless, completely inhospitable wasteland. A wasteland that was completely bereft of towns, communities and settlements in which the Legion could rest and acquire additional supplies, tribes through which the Legion's ranks could be replenished or even flora and fauna through which medicine, food and other basic necessities could be extracted. By the time that the Legion finally reached the ruins of what was once the city of Denver, their forces were completely exhausted and worn out. Tired, hungry, thirsty and deprived of energy, they were further disheartened to find that Denver was even more Hellish and nightmarish than the rest of Colorado. Not only was Denver completely bereft of civilization and useful flora and fauna, but it was entirely overrun by swarms upon swarms of feral hounds that would attack everything and everyone on sight, including themselves. Everyone other than the first semblance of human life that the Legion finally encountered in Colorado: the Hangdogs tribe. Unfortunately for the Legion, however, the Hangdogs refused to submit to Caesar's authority and resisted with a fiery passion. Using their innate mastery over animal bonding to turn the hounds of Denver against their Legion foes as well as extensive guerilla warfare tactics, the Hangdogs initiated a brutal war of attrition against the Legion that lasted years and also exacted massive casualties on Legion forces. Combined with supply lines that were stretched thin beyond their absolute breaking point across hundreds of miles worth of brutal, completely unforgiving terrain (making it nigh impossible to bring in additional reinforcements and supplies from outside Colorado) and the complete lack of tribals as well as accessible means of sustenance anywhere near Denver, the Hangdogs and their canine Allies were easily able to turn the Legion campaign in Colorado into a catastrophic disaster. Even by Legate Lanius' own admission, the campaign nearly broke the strength of the Legion and almost flat-out failed. In fact, Legate Lanius was only able to "defeat" the Hangdogs by playing to their spiritual superstitions. You see, the Hangdogs not only viewed the hounds of Denver as means of sustenance and survival, but also as friends, family and even spirit animals. They held immense respect for their hounds, bordering on religious worship. Legate Lanius eventually figured that out and hatched a plan. By capturing several Denver hounds and burning them alive right in front of the Hangdogs' camp, he deduced that the Hangdogs would believe that the hounds would not only burn to death in agony in this world, but that their spirits would continue to burn in eternal torment in the spirit world as well, causing them to finally surrender. His plan, unfortunately, worked like a charm. The Hangdogs' elders, unwilling to see their beloved spirit animals suffer an eternity of fiery torment, surrendered the whole tribe to Legate Lanius. And with their surrender, the Legion's conquest of Denver was finally complete. However, the immense costs in blood and treasure ultimately rendered the campaign completely worthless. The Legion's severely enormous casualties were so catastrophic that the Legion was actually forced to halt all further campaigns and territorial expansion for several months until they could recover (as if the First Battle of Hoover Dam wasn't enough to deal with) and in the meantime, the Legion ultimately gained nothing of any value from the campaign, either. While the Hangdogs were assimilated into the Legion, given their talents in animal husbandry, to become beast masters that would be responsible for breeding, training and conditioning the Legion's own warhounds, such a useless, worthlessly trivial gain in no way compensated for the Legion's devastating losses in Denver. Even the conquest of Denver itself was all but useless to the Legion. The city is still hopelessly overrun with hordes of hounds (as confirmed by dialogue with Antony at the Fort and Ulysses) and offers no practical benefits to the Legion aside from enabling them to harvest some of its hounds for their own use. The Legion may have conquered some territory in Colorado leading up to and including Denver, but they ultimately gained nothing of value from it. Especially in light of their enormous losses. So not only did the Legion have little in the way of time and not only was it dealing with conflicting priorities that limited the amount of troops and supplies that could be spared for its invasion of Colorado, but it also suffered severe casualties and spent years conquering an area that was of almost no value to it, as well. My point being that the Legion simply didn't have the manpower and resources to spare for a full-fledged occupation and pacification of its newly-conquered territories in Colorado and even if it did, there'd be absolutely no practical reason to do so as there's nothing there to warrant it. Especially with the upcoming Second Battle of Hoover Dam requiring both Caesar's full attention (to the point to where he's willing to oversee the battle PERSONALLY) and the absolute full might of all of his armies (Legate Lanius will actually flat-out admit to the Courier that the Legion's campaigns of expansion back East have all but stalled and even outright floundered thanks to Caesar's obsession with Hoover Dam). Based on the evidence at hand, it's very safe to say that the Legion's actual presence in Colorado is even smaller and especially even more non-existent than its presence in Utah. The Legion might have small encampments in Denver to harvest hounds from there and even smaller camps between Denver and Arizona for the express purpose of minor logistics and transport of hounds to Legion forces outside of Colorado but that's about it. As for New Mexico, this is an easy one. While nobody knows exactly when the Legion invaded New Mexico, it's certainly known that the Legion invaded New Mexico back when Joshua Graham was still the Malpais Legate (meaning before 2277) and that Caesar himself personally led the invasion (signifying its massive significance and importance to the Legion as a top priority). We also know that the invasion began even before the Legion discovered Hoover Dam and made Caesar aware of it. Meaning that not only would the Legion not be distracted, much less diverted, from this campaign in any meaningful way, but would also be in its pre-2277 prime, as well. Furthermore, all sources on the Legion's territorial control, no matter how contradictory, firmly agree that the Legion definitely has a major presence in New Mexico and is the de facto hegemon of the state. Dale Barton (the civilian merchant at the Fort who's a neutral, non-Legion, non-biased source) definitely confirms that the Legion practically owns New Mexico in the sense that it has no true competition there. Still, none of this means that they control the entire state as this ignores the fact that the Legion spent nearly all of its existence conquering and securing a mere fraction of Arizona. The Legion could at most have conquered 1/5 of New Mexico by 2281, or perhaps a 1/4 if one wants to be super generous. Especially once the Legion's other campaigns of territorial expansion in Utah and Colorado and the disastrous ramifications of both the cataclysmic First Battle of Hoover Dam and the bloody quagmire that was the invasion of Colorado are taken into consideration. So there you have it. The Legion would be in control over all of northern Arizona, between 1/5 and 1/4 of New Mexico and only minute, virtually non-existent footholds in Utah and Colorado. A penny for your thoughts? Here's a source for verification: "Caesar conquers the tribes of southeastern Utah, southwestern Colorado, the western edge of New Mexico, and the northern half of Arizona. By 2250 he has declared himself the Son of Mars. By 2255, he has established a capital of sorts amid the ruins of Flagstaff." https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Behind_the_Bright_Lights_%26_Big_City [link] [comments] |
| Why did Arthur Maxson BoS change so much after Fallout 3? Posted: 27 Aug 2020 01:49 AM PDT They literally changed their views to almost match the Enclave's and started acting like an occupation force. Did young Arthur read the Enclave documents in Raven Rock and used them as a guide? [link] [comments] |
| So much Army presence in the commonwealth. Posted: 26 Aug 2020 09:24 AM PDT We see rationing posts, Unmarked Checkpoints, even Convoys. Does this have to do Anything with the Economic downfall Or the war in Alaska? [link] [comments] |
| Were there Any of Military / army Remnants that are none Enclave? Posted: 26 Aug 2020 09:13 AM PDT |
| Did the U.S have any Other Aircraft? Posted: 26 Aug 2020 08:47 AM PDT The only one's i've seen Ingame are: Cargobots, Vertibirds, Remote Vertibirds. Did they have any other Cargo helicopter Like the chinook? [link] [comments] |
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