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- What was ashur's main goal for the pitt?
- What's the world's population pre- & after war?
- What was vault 111 plan?
- What was vault 76’s experiment? I played 76 for a while and the vault just seemed perfectly fine
- Sierra Depot GNN Transcript: An Analysis
- Why are there a couple of skeletons with vault tec labcoats in greenetech genetics?
- Is the Mayor of Diamond City the reason it’s not a giant city?
- What is the difference between Robco and General atomics ?
- is liberty prime intent to be propaganda only?
| What was ashur's main goal for the pitt? Posted: 10 Jul 2020 07:09 PM PDT |
| What's the world's population pre- & after war? Posted: 11 Jul 2020 02:54 AM PDT Does any of the games state somewhere how many people were on Earth before the war and how many still/again live afterwards? Or at least just in the US, since that is where the games take place? [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 10 Jul 2020 02:36 PM PDT Like why did they freeze everybody what was their plan? [link] [comments] |
| What was vault 76’s experiment? I played 76 for a while and the vault just seemed perfectly fine Posted: 10 Jul 2020 11:54 PM PDT |
| Sierra Depot GNN Transcript: An Analysis Posted: 10 Jul 2020 09:53 AM PDT I decided to begin working on this write-up because I recently went down a rabbit hole concerning the Sierra Depot GNN transcript from Fallout 2, which is rather well-known for its poor information, as it has several lore-related issues. As such, I'm going to break down what's up with this holodisk and why it's so infamous. The Breakdown2073 This section, about the US allegedly taking the last oil reserves left on the planet, mentions "President Xin" of China. This is the only time Xin has been mentioned in the series. While it's certainly possible that there was some communist power dynamic between President Xin and Chairman Cheng), Cheng was introduced in Fallout 3. He's largely taken on the "face" of China within the Fallout universe ever since, making Xin's role even more unclear. Fallout 3, 4, and 76 all mention Cheng, but Xin's only ever brought up in this transcript. It also claims that the winter temperature is a "chilly 100-110 [degrees Fahrenheit]" which...sure, climate change, but this seems more humorous to me than anything else, not to mention the divergence changing a lot about how we use our energy. Temperature doesn't get brought up a lot in lore, unfortunately. 2074 This report, about worldwide oil negotiations, mentions UN sanctions. This has been directly retconned by Fallout 3, which stated that the UN collapsed in 2052. This was also brought up in Chris Avellone's Fallout Bible. The Bible is of...questionable canonicity to many, but the Capitol Post articles about the UN set this in stone. 2075 The broadcast for 2075 mentions Canada being happily annexed at the wishes of its citizens. While the obviously false part about "popular demand" could be written off as American propaganda, we know from multiple sources that this wasn't a "one fell swoop" sort of deal. The Fallout intro mentions several events - China invading Alaska, the U.S. annexing Canada, and then the European Commonwealth dissolving. Canada was annexed as an indirect result of the invasion of Alaska. Diplomatic tensions between the U.S. and Canada were strained over multiple issues, including Canadian soldiers attacking the Trans-Alaska Pipeline. A Capitol Post article from 2072 indicates that that year was when the process was formally announced, but things were set in motion years prior to that. According to the Fallout Bible, the annexation was complete by January 2076. Interestingly, this same section has a blurb about sports. The "Little Rock Saints" and the "Anaheim Jets" duked it out in Super Bowl CXII that year, and J. Montana IV saved the day to win it for the Jets 95-90. While four Joe Montanas is a hilarious concept, this is also the only mention of the Super Bowl in Fallout...but. "Super Bowl I" was in 1967, so the Super Bowl of 2075 would be CVIII (108), not CXII (112). Since this was after WW2, divergence might be in play, but I think this is more of a symptom than a deliberate change to the history of the Super Bowl. 2076 Here, the transcript references the President ordering the Pacific Fleet to the "Poseidon deep sea oil derrick." The Boston Bugle article terminal rebukes this - the terminal is focused on front page news from October 19-23, 2077. Article 4 is something of an exposé that treats the President being on an oil rig as something that was unknown at the time. While the GNN transcript says that the oil rig is in a secret location; here, it seems that the Boston Bugle revealed the existence of the oil rig to begin with. The White House had been empty and speculation was rampant as to the President's whereabouts prior to this article, which was published just a few days before the bombs dropped. 2077 October 10, 2077: the Sino-American War began? This is the biggest red flag in the transcript, as it's basically impossible for all of the events of the war to have taken place in 13 days. We know through several sources that the war had been going on for much longer than that (Fort Strong, The Switchboard, Capitol Post, Boston Bugle, The Citadel). Additionally, the Fallout Bible provides a much larger timeline, putting the starting date at 2066. This is further confirmed by the Fallout 3 game guide, which refers to it as the "Sino-American War of 2066-2077." The Capitol Post says that no American could forget the terrible winter of 2066, when China first invaded Alaska. The Bored Soldiers SagaSo what's the point of all this? Why am I writing out every lore issue in this one holodisk, written 22 years ago and retconned by nearly every other source since? It has to do with the in-universe explanation for this transcript. According to the Fallout Bible, bored soldiers at the Army Depot modified the news reports for fun, and that's how Avellone disregarded the disk. Right? This explanation has been something that's basically been accepted as fact. The soldiers were screwing around, according to Avellone, and they made the holodisk wildly inaccurate. But...I haven't been able to find a specific source mentioning that explanation. Whenever it's brought up in lore discussions, people just cite the Bible because that's what the wiki said for a long time (although it no longer does). I'll start this off by saying that in no way do I think the transcript can be salvaged in some way. There's so much stuff that has been thrown out by later games, that it's just a totally unreliable source at this point. However, unless someone here that is more knowledgeable about the Bible than me can find something, it seems that there has never been a verified in-universe explanation for it. Let me explain. The Vault and Nukapedia, the two Fallout wikis, have been attempting to merge after Curse/Gamepedia was bought by Fandom. Earlier this year, the "behind the scenes" section on the GNN transcript, explaining its inconsistencies and canonicity status, was imported from the Vault onto Nukapedia. Previously, Nukapedia did not have a reference for the "bored soldiers" claim, only mentioning that Avellone said it in the Bible (which is comprised of 9 different documents). Both TV and NP had some variation of the "bored soldiers" story, just phrased differently. When the Vault version was added during the merge, it included a reference that cited Fallout Bible 6, along with a couple paragraphs about it. Mystery solved. Except...the reference doesn't mention anything about soldiers. It's actually mostly about Skynet's name, and how it shouldn't be taken seriously. At the end of the citation, Avellone brings up the GNN transcript as another example of something that should be modified to fit within the timeline. As of right now, the NP page has another citation that disregards the GNN transcript, from Bible 7, mentioning it as an example of something that should be pulled from continuity. While this certainly confirms that Avellone dismissed the holodisk, it doesn't help us with that in-universe explanation. It was at this point that I went down the rabbit hole, trying to figure out where this "bored soldiers" story came from. I couldn't find anything about it in the Bible itself - all 9 documents are on the wiki, totally complete, but many Ctrl+Fs and scroll wheel excursions later, I came up with nothing. Unless there's something that has been glossed over by myself and wiki contributors from both the Vault and Nukapedia over the years, it seems that "bored soldiers" was never in the Bible at all. Where does it come from then? At this point there was no going back so I decided to pore through the page histories of NP's version, and TV's version (before the merge). Here's a timeline: 2005: Things are weird off the bat. According to Nukapedia, an account named Angela first adds this story as "soldiers modified the transcripts for fun." As it turns out, Angela is...Angela Beesley, the co-founder of Wikia. Back in 2005, the Fallout Wiki was hosted and duckandcover.cx. However, on the Vault, this same edit is attributed to Ausir. I'm not sure how records from the D&C days are kept, but my best guess is that Ausir added it in 2005, but the edit somehow just got attributed to Angela on NP while she was helping with the move over to Wikia. I also tried looking at archive.org for D&C, but this particular page wasn't ever saved, as best I can tell. Between this, the Fallout Wiki splits between Nukapedia on Wikia/Fandom and the Vault on Gamepedia. 2013: Ant2242 adds information about how the holodisk contradicts lore regarding the annexation of Canada. He uses a section from Fallout Bible 0's timeline as a source. 2014: Tagaziel edits the phrasing on the Vault and changes "for fun" to "out of boredom," also citing Bible 0. Wikia still uses the original wording without a reference. This one is weird to me, because Bible 0 doesn't mention the story, so the reference is inaccurate. I think what happened here is that Tag meant to cite Bible 0 for Chris Avellone's timeline, which is also mentioned in the same section. Nothing in Bible 0 would necessitate a change to "out of boredom," so speculation galore can come from this. 2015: Ant2242 changes Bible 0 to Bible 6, and includes the aforementioned Skynet quote. He asks where "boredom" comes from in an edit summary. A couple months prior, at the end of 2014, he left a talk page message asking the same question. No response. 2018: Tagaziel adds more information to the Sino-American War contradictions, using Ant's old citation of the Bible 0 timeline, but the soldier story remains on the page. 2020: The Fandom/Wikia page (still) using the original wording is changed when the Vault version is imported during the ongoing merge by JCB2077, creating the "behind the scenes" section as it was on the Vault. What does all this mean?I think at this point "bored soldiers" might be one of those lore myths that gets passed down because it's been around for so long, like New York being a crater. I can't find any trace of anyone questioning it until Ant asked in 2014 and 2015. Even then, no one answered it and the story remained on the page. Besides Ant's talk page message on the Vault, there was another discussion on Nukapedia from 2013, but it was about the accuracy of the holodisk and whether or not it could be propaganda. The edits that I included above are the only really notable ones that I could find. The rest are just formatting or other minor changes, not touching the "bored soldiers" story. In summary, the GNN transcript is a holodisk that is terribly inaccurate and has been retconned and superseded by other sources over time. The Fallout Bible itself has had its canonicity disputed, but the Capitol Post, Boston Bugle, the game guide, all these other sources contradict the holodisk and we can easily conclude that it's not a reliable source these days. However, the in-universe explanation of being changed by soldiers that were screwing around...that's never been verified as best I can tell. Maybe Avellone said it somewhere in his Twitter or something, but it doesn't seem to come from the Bible and no one has been able to back up this story. This is something that goes all the way back to 2005, with the Ausir/Angela edit, and remained on both wikis for 15 years. It was only very recently removed from Nukapedia, after the merge. I was part of a pretty interesting discussion about this subject in the wiki's Discord, which inspired me to write this overly-long post. There were about 6 people involved, and one of them found the quote from Bible 7. That was about it, so "bored soldiers" was removed since no one could verify it. Unless someone finds something to back the story up, a source that's been buried for a over a decade, it appears that the GNN transcript might not have an explanation after all. [link] [comments] |
| Why are there a couple of skeletons with vault tec labcoats in greenetech genetics? Posted: 10 Jul 2020 11:13 AM PDT |
| Is the Mayor of Diamond City the reason it’s not a giant city? Posted: 11 Jul 2020 02:41 AM PDT So yes Diamond City is pretty big compared to other settlements and such but since the mayor is a synth and the institute of course use gen 3s as undercover ops basically, did they make the mayor not expand the city that far? I mean there security force seems very good and decently equipped given they can fend of Super Mutants, and there's a lot of empty building and roads they can expand to for more population and guards and overall, a soon to be giant civilization, they might have to hire extra guns like the gunners to help clear out raiders and mutants but I feel like it's more than possible for them to do so, and given time might even have a small army and government. But I need input from people who know more about this than I do [link] [comments] |
| What is the difference between Robco and General atomics ? Posted: 10 Jul 2020 03:49 PM PDT I thought Robco were doing the robots as their name suggests but then I remembered mr. Gutsy which are from GA, but are assaultrons, sentry bots and protectrons also from them ? Also, there's another thing I don't understand which is why the PipBoys are from robco when the only place we find them are in vaults (which are made by vault-tec), not to mention the one we find in fallout 4 (don't remember the mark) are litterally compatible with the vault doors. [link] [comments] |
| is liberty prime intent to be propaganda only? Posted: 10 Jul 2020 04:24 AM PDT i mean it strong and all but it got one shot by enclave mortar ,which i believe that while china don't have one as strong as the one enclave have it was enough to bomb a walking giant robot from a far or get bomb by other way like a chinese stealth suit with a c4 i feel like liberty prime is more of a glass cannon to be admire in theory than in pratice . and consider it was project approval(i think?) by constantine chase what do you guy think? Edit:look back at it yeah, liberty prime is tougher than I remember [link] [comments] |
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